Wednesday, April 19, 2006

An Apology

When I was added on as judge, my first post was not vital to the scheme of things on the site and simply a tie in to events in my own blog. This was selfish, but more so, in that I used the characters that remained in the game without permission. I did so with the assumption that I knew their characters enough to use them. I received a comment after the post by Typho about how out of character I had written him.
I apologise for the wrongful usage of these characters. I meant no malice in the utilisation, but my actions have improperly portrayed several well-defined characters.
If there is any action I can do to rectify my unauthorised plagiarism theft, please let me know.

16 Comments:

Blogger Jon the Intergalactic Gladiator said...

Archie: All right, all right, I apologize.

Otto: You're really sorry.

Archie: I'm really really sorry, I apologize unreservedly.

Otto: You take it back.

Archie: I do, I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future.
Otto: OK.

3:17 AM  
Blogger Jabafatboy said...

No Brownies for you buddy !!

:-) :-0 ;-)

6:04 AM  
Blogger Vampirella said...

and ooc reply to what seems an ooc post :P
I only ask for respect and I try to do the same for others... As well as to let me know your doing a crossover with me


if you read my blog pretty much you know my character and I am pretty much like a willow I bend

I havent had anyone do a crossover where I objected.... but if I did I would just play role it in a way to correct the thing...


I love crossovers as you can tell...

7:29 AM  
Blogger JawaJuice said...

Um...I would like to point out that none of these characters actually belong to us. We don’t have copy rights on them. In fact we don’t have any rights on them. We are spoofing Star Wars and as such all characters are fair game. We all have other characters guest in our blogs from time to time. One should not have to feel the need to apologize for writing something done in good humor. It’s just for fun. Don’t take it so seriously.

7:41 AM  
Blogger Captain Typho said...

Quibecca introduced the word plagiarism into this. That doesn't apply to my comment.

I do feel that as a common courtesy it wouldn't kill people to send an email letting someone know that you'd like to use the character they're blogging for some lines in your post. I've asked other people if it was okay to use their character and they've returned the courtesy. Some people haven't asked me and it was still okay because it didn't contradict anything previously written or in the planning stages. Similarly, I've used some characters without clearing it first. In such cases it usually was because the person no longer posts or they don't respond to email in a timely fashion and I needed to move on.

The bottom line is, most people will say yes if you let them know what you're planning. More often than not it's flattering and amusing to be included in someone else's writing. However, if you don't give people a head's up beforehand, you have to accept that you may be contradicting other plans they have for their character that you're not aware of. Or you're just making people look bad. Sometimes it's easy to roleplay your way out of that after the fact, but it's an issue that can be avoided easily with a little communication.

11:41 AM  
Blogger JawaJuice said...

um...I think you taking what were doing here way too seriously.

1:15 PM  
Blogger Captain Typho said...

JJ, when you read comments about your pirate post and you responded, were you taking things too seriously? I'd say yes. Especially since it was clear no one had a problem with it.

1:39 PM  
Blogger JawaJuice said...

lol
…And since then I’ve made sure not to take any of this too seriously. ;)

1:58 PM  
Blogger Qui-Gon Jinn said...

I have deleted the offending post. This was to remove any chance of referencing the improper characterisations. It was not, however, deleted to cover my error.
I have also changed the word 'plagiarism' to theft, as it was in improper context. I did not steal these characters manner, I damaged the characters portrayal.
Simply put, this is the last I wish to hear about this particular situation. If I ever feel the need to 'borrow' someone else's character, I will ask before I assume that I can use them.
Thank you.

9:10 PM  
Blogger Master Yoda said...

I have to agree with JJ on this one. I had started to write an entire post (not just comment) on this blog in response to Typho's complaint. But it was late at night, and I was afraid I might regret it the next morning.

As we neither own, nor are the creators of most of these characters, we can not state what is or isn't "out of character", nor can we reasonably expect to be asked permission for their use.

Every thing we do here is in the spirit of fun. We should not take ourselves or what we have written so seriously that others need be afraid of how they use 'our' characters.

JJ's response to perceived complaints seemed to be a result of him taking our feelings seriously, not of him taking his own writing too seriously. One is a demonstration of humility, the other is, well, the opposite of humility.

In Qui's defense, before her last post on Survivor: Tatooine, she did in fact make a special effort to ask me for permission to use characters I had created. It was completely unnecessary, but still demonstrates her considerate nature about these kinds of things.
I read her post as judge here, and didn't see anything reasonably objectionable.

Personally, I have no problems with others using Yoda or even any of the characters I've 'created' (Steve the Spider, Bob the Bantha, Harvey the Youngling, etc.). I find it extremely amusing.

Further, I am one of those who 'assigned dialog' to other characters or otherwise wrote them into my posts here. Such interaction between characters is necessary, whether your writing drama or comedy, to make the post interesting. However, I apologize if I stepped on anyone's toes or mis-used a character that someone else had created.

10:46 AM  
Blogger Vampirella said...

*sigh* we just had this issue on heros


like everyone said this is for fun and it just boils down to respect...

I mean if one of us wrote something really raunchy about another it wouldnt be to (sportsman...) blogger like


but like Yoda said we dont own these characters we are having fun so cant we just have fun please...

12:08 PM  
Blogger Captain Typho said...

As we neither own, nor are the creators of most of these characters, we can not state what is or isn't "out of character," nor can we reasonably expect to be asked permission for their use.

As members of a blogging community, I think we should always respect what the others members of the community are doing with the characters they've chosen to use.

Every thing we do here is in the spirit of fun.

Some of the "fun" is, at best, sarcasm. Sometimes sarcasm is only funny to the person writing it.

We should not take ourselves or what we have written so seriously that others need be afraid of how they use 'our' characters.

This "taking your writing seriously" refrain bothers me because it misrepresents my point. How does showing courtesy to other people constitute taking either their blog or my blog or my writing or their writing or blogging in general "too seriously"? Communicating with people before writing something that affects them is just good manners.

I'll ignore the "humility or lack thereof" comment.

We've clearly moved beyond the bounds of the characters and situations in the movies. For me, this is neither a "rights" issue nor a "seriousness" issue. In the context of this blogging community, I operate under the standpoint that the person blogging the character has defined how the character should be treated within the context of these interconnected blogs. If I want to use a character someone else in this group is blogging, all things considered, I ought to ask. I lose nothing.

For example, Padmé in the movies doesn't have a drinking problem, but in this blog group, she does. Only Shannon knows how serious this problem really is. Say I want to post something in my blog in which Padmé vomits in the lap of Chancellor Palpatine at an important function. You better believe I'd ask Shannon first before posting that. I'd certainly give Chris a head's up as well.

Is that taking their writing or my writing "too seriously"? Of course not. It's acknowledging that they're taking the characters in different directions and I'm letting them know that I respect that. They may hate the idea and, if so, I wouldn't post it. If they like the idea, they may want to write about the same incident on their blogs as well. Maybe we go on to collaborate on other posts together. Everyone wins. But if I post something "funny" involving them and it falls flat or looks ugly in retrospect, maybe there'll be a lot of damage control afterwards.

I read her post as judge here, and didn't see anything reasonably objectionable.

Since she's deleted it, her post and anything said here about it are now out of context.

Such interaction between characters is necessary, whether your writing drama or comedy, to make the post interesting. However, I apologize if I stepped on anyone's toes or misused a character that someone else had created.

If the characters are interacting, ideally the players/bloggers should be too. Perhaps some people feel that slows things down or limits one's creativity or one can't be funny if one works with other people. Your mileage may vary.

3:34 PM  
Blogger JawaJuice said...

*looks at above comment*

Thanks for making my point clear.
I rest my case. ;)

5:08 PM  
Blogger Jabafatboy said...

I can see both sides of the issue, I will refrain from stating my feelings, however If someone wants to use Jaba, they are more than welcome to do so and permission is not required.

I have said before and will say again HAVE FUN PEOPLE !

5:38 PM  
Blogger Qui-Gon Jinn said...

I shall reword my apology.
I am sorry to show disrespect to those bloggers whose characters I used without permission. I am sorry for not showing common courtesy by asking for the usage of said characters. I am sorry for damaging any levels of trust and hindering any friendships that have I shared with those on this site. I am sorry for improperly portraying characters in a serious enough manner to tarnish the well-defined characterisations that others had developed.
I will, never again, use a character without asking permission and informing the blogger of the situations that the character would be used in.
I hope others will learn from my error and a dialogue such as this will never again be needed.
If any others wish to comment on the situation, I'd ask that any and all continued points be moved either to the Star Wars United blog, or sent directly to my email.
Lastly, I am sorry for using the Big Brother : Naboo site for this public apology. If need be, I can move this to the SWU site, or onto my own blog, and this thread can be deleted, as it does not follow the flow of the current topics.
Thank you.

8:49 PM  
Blogger Master Yoda said...

Thanks for making my point clear.
I rest my case. ;)


Amen!

8:54 PM  

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